Wednesday, July 23, 2008


Most traditional Christian Churches have adopted a doctrinal belief in what is called the “TRINITY“.

It may surprise some that the word “Trinity” is at no time actually seen anywhere in the Bible.

I have personally done a word search at Bible Gateway in each version of the Bible available at that site and it continues to show “No Results“.. Yet this belief seems to be so ingrained within the doctrines of most Christian Churches that no one dare question it.

I shall not suggest that God is not a multi-dimensional being… In my way of believing He is an “UNLIMITED-DIMENTIONAL” BEING .. Thus to contain God into only THREE parts is to LIMIT an UNLIMITED GOD.

It is my contention that since God is beyond limits that to affirm a belief that He is only manifest in three parts places God into a box and tries to weigh and measure Him in accordance with that rather than realizing that there is NO BOX THAT COULD EVER CONTAIN ALL THAT IS GOD… Thus I cannot ascribe to a dogma that limits God no matter how popular it might be.

So we can speak intelligently on this difference I have with this commonly accepted doctrine let us first examine the definition of the Trinity (from Wikipedia):
TRINITY (Source Wikipedia)

Central[1][2] to Christianity, Trinity is the doctrine that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons (not to be confused by "person"): the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit. Since the 4th century, in both Eastern Christianity and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as "three persons in one God," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal persons, are of one indivisible Divine essence, a simple being. The doctrine also teaches that the Son Himself has two distinct natures, one fully divine and the other fully human, united in a hypostatic union. Supporting the doctrine of the Trinity is known as Trinitarianism. Most divisions of Christianity are Trinitarian, and regard belief in the Trinity as a test of Christian orthodoxy.

Opposing nontrinitarian positions held by some groups include Binitarianism (two deities/persons/aspects), Unitarianism (one deity/person/aspect), the Godhead (Latter Day Saints) (three separate beings, one in purpose) and Modalism (Oneness).
Historically, the post-New Testament[1] doctrine of Trinitarianism is of particular importance. The conflict with Arianism, as well as other competing theological concepts during the fourth century, became the first major doctrinal confrontation in Church history. It had a particularly lasting effect within the Western Roman Empire where the Germanic Arians and Nicene Christians formed a segregated social order.

The verses of the Bible that would appear to support the “Trinity Theory” are quite scant… In fact, I can locate only one single verse which would seem to strongly support it (at first glance) and another which would seem to support a portion of it.. Yet if we examine even these in greater detail and in their original language perhaps we can get a better handle on their real meaning.

1 John 5:7 (KJV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

John 10:30 (KJV)
I and my Father are one.

The Original texts of these verses were written in Greek and in translation we often see that a word we think we understand fully actually had a different usage or subtle variance in meaning from one language to another.

Many people are unaware that John was a student of Cabalistic thought and much of his writing comes at things from that angle. Cabalism does not rely on literalism (the most common mistake made by those who never study beyond their own understandings) and so one cannot read anything written by John and assess it properly only through Western (Roman) thought processes.

Most of the doctrinal errors that divide churches are because of the fact that people use their westernized mind to try and understand when really we should be trying to comprehend from the perspective of the author and his (or her) mental positioning.

In the First Verse above (1 John 5:7) there is (to the Western based mind) definitive statements are being made (“there are three”.. “these three are one“) and so we block it in and wrap it up and it’s a done deal… but does this verse REALLY mean to say that there are ONLY THREE or does it qualify what is meant by ONE.

First when it reads “There are three who bear record in heaven” I see nothing to suggest that this is intended to limit God only to these THREE…in fact even a western mind should clearly see that these are but the three “Record Bearers” and is not suggesting that these are the only parts of God in extent.. They are only the parts of God which are in agreement regarding the “record”.

As for the use of “One” in both the first and second verses above the actually original word used is “heis (gr)” and this actually means something different than being “THE SAME EXACT THING” as the western mind wishes to perceive it.

Heis is used of unity in Gal 3:28, "for you are all one in Christ Jesus." In the latter passage, the word one is in grammatical agreement with the word "all," but this does show that heis can also be used for “union”.

Just as when people are married they are considered “ONE” (heis) and yet remain distinct individuals .. So too must we allow the word “One” herein to have it’s proper use meaning “UNION” (or more simply “In conjunction with each other”).

The biggest problem with the traditional “Trinitarian” concept of God is that it attempts to make God less than He is through limiting His deity to ONLY THREE PARTS and we do this because we ourselves are limited to a 3-D world (Thus, we have a tendency to compartmentalize things into groups of only three) But again… GOD IS AN UNLIMITY and any being who could be divided and limited to only a single set of Three certainly could NOT be God.

The following verses allude to an Equality between The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and were given as support of the previous two verses in a short thesis on the subject posted in a friends blog .. Yet again I really see no evidence to support that God is limited only to “Three persons” in any of these (in fact, in the second verse used above the Holy Spirit seems absent from the “equality status” and if it stood alone would seem to be more in support of a “two part” rather than “three-part” unity).

Deu 6:4 (KJV)
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Gen 3:22a (KJV)
And the LORD God said,
Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

Heb 1:1-3 (KJV)
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
{2} Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
by whom also he made the worlds;
{3} Who being the brightness of his glory,
and the express image of his person,
and upholding all things by the word of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

1 Cor 8:6 (KJV)
But to us there is but one God, the Father,
>are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 5:17-23 (KJV)
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
{18} Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him,
because he not only had broken the sabbath,
but said also that God was his Father,
making himself equal with God.
{19} Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
{20} For the Father loveth the Son,
and showeth him all things that himself doeth:
and he will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
{21} For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them;
even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
{22} For the Father judgeth no man,
but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
{23} That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 14:23-26 (KJV)
Jesus answered and said unto him,
If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
{24} He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
{25} These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
{26} But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 14:9-21 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
{10} Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
{11} Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake.
{12} Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also;
and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
{13} And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
{14} If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15} If ye love me, keep my commandments.
{16} And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;
{17} Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
{18} I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
{19} Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more;
but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
{20} At that day ye shall know
that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
{21} He that hath my commandments,
and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

So, is GOD (The ALL-BEING) to be limited by the number THREE???

Humanity may be limited by numbers but by my way of thinking God is greater that the highest of numbers that can be comprehended in the minds of men.

Father, Son and Spirit is/are indeed part of the ONE GOD but I can find nothing that would suggest that these three are the ONLY parts which make up the INFINATE GOD IN WHICH I BELIEVE,, MY GOD IS AN “UNLIMI-ty”!



Adam Pastor said...


Although indeed we serve an infinite GOD; if there is indeed a number He is "limited" by, it is ONE!
He is ONE!

That has always been the understanding of the Shema [Deut 6.4] even in Jesus the Messiah's and John's time.

GOD is neither "two-part or three-part".
Hence, that is another reason why the "trinity doctrine" is indeed false.

Not only is the word "trinity" not found in Scripture.
Its biggest prooftext 1 John 5.7 turns out to be a forgery.
Added for the express reason to attempt to substantiate the trinity doctrine which was indeed unknown to Christ, his disciples and the early church.

For more info, I recommend the video:
The Human Jesus

Yours In Messiah
Adam Pastor

Jesus of Zion said...

Thank You Adam.. Indeed you are correct.

There is an essoteric idea that "O" is symbolic of both "Nothing" and "All" thus the "Unlimi-ty" is still only a part of the "One" and both are the same singularity... yes, I agree with this belief.

Thank you for reading and commenting. I will have to check out the video because I have long taught that "Jesus THE MAN" is actually more essential than "Jesus THE GOD" (see past Blog on this).

Thanks again and BE LOVE & BE LOVED!